How Ron Paul Won Jackson County

Today was a victory for Ron Paul supporters in Jackson County, Missouri.

Further summary is needed to really explain what happened at the end of the caucus that resulted in the Beat Obama slate. I’ve spoken to the Chair, several delegates, and many attendees in order to compile the most accurate report possible.

The Credentials Cmte. reported 1012 people present, but the highest vote – the one for the election of the chair – only had 970 votes. That’s our starting point of voters present: 970.

The day began with approximately 375-400 Ron Paul supporters. Some are confused because over 550 stickers were passed out to ID Ron Paul supporters. However, the team ran out of one type of the Paul stickers and two people were counting. Sticker types were switched and the stickers that did not state Ron Paul were accepted by non-Paul supporters. The sticker counting system failed and was discounted. The door click system was more accurate, and the team’s best count indicated approximately 375 Ron Paul supporters.

Numbers dwindled throughout the day. The best count tracked these walk-outs/early departures: 80 Santorum, 60 Romney, 12 Paul, and 5 Gingrich. By the final vote the total number of people voting was 768.

The final delegate percentages agreed upon by the 768 votes were:
To the State: Paul 73% ; Romney 27%
To the 5th District: Paul: 44% ; Romney 56%
To the 6th District: Paul: 100%
Alternates: Paul 100% to the State, 5th, and 6th.

How did that deal, the Beat Obama slate, come about?

The Romney and Santorum leaders both approached the Paul leaders about two weeks ago. The local Paul team rejected them completely. After 17 March and the debacles seen then, when Romney and Santorum camps approached them again, they discussed a plan B – a compromise slate – at the Monday night Ron Paul strategy meeting open to Paul supporters.

This group of about 25 people who have been leading the Ron Paul movement in Kansas City with their blood, sweat, and tears, decided that between Santorum and Romney, Santorum was the most dangerous “to the concepts of liberty”. Therefore, they agreed to dialogue with the Romney camp about a possible compromise slate. Later in the week leaders of the local Paul strategy team met with the attorneys from the Romney team and hammered out a compromise.

The deal was strictly a Plan B. Plan A was a full Paul slate. If it was possible to pass Plan A, then Plan A would be voted on. If, however, Plan B was voted upon and lost, then the Romney camp would not agree to Plan B and would go to their Plan C – a deal with the Santorum camp. Therefore, the ultimate decision on the floor of the caucus was down to EITHER pass Plan A OR pass Plan B… and no second chances. If they tried Plan A and lost, they would forfeit ALL delegates because Romney would switch to Santorum.

Even if we’re generous and say that 400 Paul supporters were present at the final vote, that 400 was not the 2/3 necessary to pass the vote (51%) and close the meeting (2/3). The Paul camp did not have sufficient votes to pass Plan A, a full slate.

Also important: two men separately nominated the Ron Paul Constitution slate. Neither of them had been to any of the Paul strategy meetings.*

The first gentleman had good intentions. The Ron Paul slate had been distributed to Paul supporters earlier in the day and had been well-promoted by the team. When it came time to nominate slates, the Paul team captains had already determined that the numbers meant that the 100% Paul slate could not pass. They could not tip their hand to the full room and inform the Paul supporters of every detail, and the first man who nominated the Paul slate wanted to help. Team members spoke with him privately to see if he had additional names to add that would flesh out a second slate and safely give two Paul-centric slates. He did not. He withdraw the slate nomination.

The second man who nominated the Ron Paul slate was a Santorum supporter. He was still wearing his Santorum sticker. He was deliberately trying to divide the Ron Paul vote. He was publicly challenged by the Chair to declare whether he had a full slate of delegates for the RP slate he has nominated. The man didn’t, clearly, and he said as much. His slate was therefore rejected as it was invalid.

The Chair, Mark Anthony Jones, asked each of them if they had a full slate of delegates and alternates. They both said they did not. They had not prepared slates with names of delegates.** These were the two Paul slates that were withdrawn/rejected.

The Paul team had to decide between the compromise slate with Romney that was a definite majority of delegates for Paul, or risking getting no delegates for a slate that was incomplete when they did not have the necessary votes to pass it. The Paul team chose to take the compromise and they won the overwhelming majority of delegates for Paul.

The Romney camp would not have voted for a full Paul slate because they knew they could make a deal with the Santorum camp and get delegates. The Romney votes were far too slim to win anything on their own, but were necessary for either the Paul or Santorum camp to get delegates. Paul had more supporters present than the Romney and Santorum camps individually, but not a 2/3 majority overall.

Today was the best possible victory for Paul supporters in today’s caucus given the number of people present. The team did well. The Chair was honorable and answered the Santorum camp’s concerns. Robert’s Rules of Order were followed. Recordings were permitted.

Ron Paul won the delegates fairly and honestly. Well done, Jackson County!

*   Edited: 04:05PM EST, 3/35. Clarified and expanded situation surrounding the nominations of the Ron Paul Constitution slate.
** Edited: 11:00PM EST, 3/24. Possible inaccuracy removed.

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11 Responses to “How Ron Paul Won Jackson County”

  1. Seth March 24, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    Wow nice job Jackson County! Not a county I'd think of as being pro-liberty, lol

  2. KCTed March 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm #

    When the SHTF we need Dr Paul in the drivers seat. He isn't afraid to discuss the real problems, what's causing them and the depth of change needed to fix them.

    Rick and Newt don't have a clue. Mitt and Barack are part of the cause of the problems.

    If someone isn't aware of the real problems, they need to get informed before voting. The stock market crash caused the Great Depression. Just think what would happen if our currency crashed.

  3. Mark Anthony Jones March 25, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

    Thank you Lorien for a great synopsis. I believe if our plan B had fallen apart, we would have either gone for the proportional slate that we had fought off from the Gingrich team in the rules fight (which we had discussed at our Monday night meeting as Option C) OR we could have gone for the deal that we were offered by the Santorum/Gingrich camps on the floor – AS WE WERE VOTING on the Beat Obama slate nonetheless. I am happy with our results – I will be happier when the results are certified in Jeff City. Then we have other battles to fight BEFORE our District Convention on April 21st. Incidentally, I will be running for District 5 Convention Chair.

    • Lorien March 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

      The note about Santorum pursuing the Paul camp fits the reports I had… my sources were saying that they say Santorum people trying to approach you privately while voting was taking place.

      • Mark Anthony Jones March 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

        They approached me by motioning for me to come to the edge of the stage. Their negotiator stood on the floor and I knelt down from the stage to have the conversation. It was during the first vote on the floor for the Beat Obama combined slate..

  4. Josh L March 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm #

    Additionally, it cannot be ignored that the Paul camp and the Romney camp was intermingled and was fostering a lot of good will. Personally, I had great and productive conversations with some Romney supporters. They were complimentary and kind to Paul supporters. I saw plenty examples of young Paul supporters being instructed on the rules of the caucus and Party inner workings by Romney supporters. I also saw a lot of Paul supporter having interesting, yet kind, conversations about why they supported Paul or why Paul was good for the Party. Everyone benefited. We were encouraging each other and informing each other on the slates. As much as there was strategy by the campaign leaders, there was as much of that going on in the crowd. Great experience. As a Paul supporter I have a more positive and understanding attitude toward Romney supporters and I am sure it goes the other way too.

    • Lorien March 25, 2012 at 7:53 pm #

      Fantastic! Our commitment to principles and sound, reasonable solutions to problems is unwavering. Opportunities like these to communicate with other Republicans in an uplifting and fulfilling way need to be maximized. Healthy communication – and for that in these official settings we need Robert's Rules of Order – is critical!

      • Pink May 8, 2017 at 2:24 pm #

        An#,;nyh&t8220oIt seems like common sense and is so simple but most people have a lot of trouble with it.”I have to really agree with that statement. I like your post today.Lynn Lane

  5. Mark Anthony Jones March 26, 2012 at 2:02 pm #

    There are still some questions about the numbers and why we did what we did. At ALL times we were organized and in communication with each other both inside the hall and outside with the national campaign.

    The votes had to be majority (50% +1). With 1012 people, majority is 507. Ron Paul had 382-400. Whichever it was, 382 (clicker method) or 400 (sticker method) we did not have the votes to get to 507. We needed the 200 or so Romney votes to even win the Chair and Sec'y. Gingrich had about 75 total, so that wouldn't even work. If the vote for slate would have been plurality we could have carried it but it wasn't and we could not get plurality agreed upon for the rules. We couldn't even get plurality agreed upon for the officers (Chair and Sec'y).

    Saying we did not know OUR numbers as a couple of people have charged is ludicrous. We even had Santorum people taking stickers and tearing them up in front of the person who gave them out. Neither method of counting was fail-proof, but we found out what we needed to know. The Santorum people had no idea what their numbers were as far as we can tell. But we DO know that Santorum together with Romney, Paul would have lost everything.

    In politics, numbers are important on votes – make sure you are dealing with the people with ENOUGH numbers to help you, but NOT ENOUGH to over rule you. The ONLY agreement prior to Saturday was that we both wanted Santorum out and that IF we needed each other we would deal on the caucus floor. We also came to an agreement on rules we could both get our constituencies to pass.

    If we had not made a deal we would have been there until late on Saturday night and had no respect from anyone in the county to take into the next two years to win the Jackson County Central Committee. We now have the respect we need to get in the leadership positions to EDUCATE the county committee on the principles of liberty.

    Have all of you filed for your Committeeman slots? Tomorrow at 5pm is the deadline in Missouri. On to the next fight! Taking back OUR party.

    Thank you for your diligent work Lorien!!

  6. Covert Ops March 27, 2012 at 6:22 pm #

    My Thanks to the Chair for a fair caucus process. Many thanks also to the Ron Paul supporters who made it. Where were all those people from Union Station? Well, next time, because there will be a next time. RP2012 a bill we can all live with.

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